This is a scam. It is simply water injection, which can reduce knocking in some engines by reducing the temperature somewhat, but it does not actually generate free energy. Do some websearchs for "HHO" and Brown's Gas and you'll see this is the product of quacks. Btw, baking soda in water releases carbon dioxide, not H and O.

You're not paying attention: this isn't water injection. It's an electrolysis process that enables your gasoline or diesel motor to use hydrogen and oxygen as catalysts to burn fuel more efficiently. No where is "free energy" found in this process.

Hmmm... I think you may be right that this device does not realase HHO... But it is a mighty cheap solution to Turbo engine cars and water injection. Although I would prefer more sophicated nozzle water injection systems.

It's a scam!

It's NOT Water injection, because putting water into tour carburettor or fuel injectors would be REALLY bad!

It's supposed to put hydrogen into the fuel line, but as there's only one chamber in the electrolysis-jar, you also get oxygen out of it.

It has no effect on the car, it's just a scam.

Yeah this is a scam.
But the idea of HHO as a fuel source is not. this one guy created HHO from water with a specially designed electrolysis machine in his garage, according to him, he drove 100 miles on only 4 ounces of water. that would mean that he gets 6400 miles to the gallon... on water! He demonstrated HHO as a welding torch which had the amazing ablilty to not burn a person's fingers but was able to turn solid brass into a glowing red ball of magma in only 3 seconds. Its truly amazing.

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lol.. i didn't like the thing of better gas milage...

It would be good if it works

Yea they should take this off, dont want anyone ruining thier car.

... ripoff...

Has anyone bought this kit and tried it before concluding that its crap?

I see more non believers than 'Yeah, go for it. It works!'

Let us here & see some proof....

Need to read before you believe..

This is to good to be true.

http://www.fazed.net/view/?id=11429&p=2

Fake!

HUGE SCAM, I feel sorry for the people who fell for this, It's true it releases gas, but NO WHERE NEAR what the car needs. LMAO! SUCKERS! this is like a grade 3 project!!! HAHAHA!

Mythbusters did a show on these devices.
They do not produce enough gas (FUEL) to run an engine as SCAM_BAITER said.
Mythbusters got an engine to run on pure hydrogen from a tank with a hose straight into the carb but if eventually caught fire.

Check the internet and find out how many Cubic Feet per min. of air your engine requires to run and you will be surprised. The fuel mixture is related to the total CFM of air and you can find out the ratios needed for hydrogen to burn also on the internet. Your engine will need WAY MORE than this thing can produce. No Question.

these devices do not work but there are devices that have been proven to work by splitting water into hydrogen and oxygen but they use better chemicals than baking soda and they do not use tap water or thin flimsy wires

I may give it a shot.
You may not be able to run the entire engine on this, but what about running on both gas and HHO. It may help improve some MPG. I heard alot of people say K&N air filters don't give any better MPG, but in my own experience it has helped a little.

I guess from what I hear, this "could" be fake... I am not sure because I haven't tried it...

Well I work at a college in the automotive lab. I've brought this to one of the instructors attention. and we are going to give a try to see if it really works.

Cool stuff May, let me know the results afterwards if you can! :)

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Please let me know what you found out about this unit? Please we need to find an alternative.

Well I did some testing on the bench today. got it to bubble, put the lid on it with a tube on it. One of the non believers wanted to light it, so I let him. Well there was a pop and the lid on the jar went flying. Don't know how it will do on an engine. Monday we're doing some testing on a small engine to see how everthing goes.

test have you done your small engine test yet? I'm curious to hear how it came out.

test have you done your small engine test yet? I'm curious of the results.

We ended up not doing the test. I don't know what happened, but this summer I hope to make one and do some testing. I let u know how it turns out if I find the time to do it.

Here is a video I found of someone how made one:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=34FFCJcYy2E

Well a little update for u all. After researching It seems that if your car is controlled by a computer or ECM (fuel injected), u need some type of enhancer (efie or MAP sensor enhancer) to trick the computer into thinking its not getting the oxygen it is actually getting. See with one of these water cells u are not just making hydrogen u are making oxygen also. With the extra oxygen the computer puts more fuel into the engine to make up the right fuel mixture, in return you may burn even more fuel then before.

Also the instructor that was going to do the small engine experiment, well I guess from what he said, he and someone on his race team talked about this one day, and decided to make one. Apparently the guy on his race team put it in his Escort, (with no type of enhancer) and he calculated a 16 MPG increase. He went from 40 MPG to 56 MPG. This has sparked me into giving this another try.

I had issues with metal corroding, after asking a few Questions on the internet. I've discovered u need to use NON MANETIC stainless steel, and that takes care of most on the corrosion problem.

This is a scam!

As a Mechanical Engineering student at Penn State I have been asked if this is possible. If you perform an energy balance on the system you will discover that your engine will burn more gasoline. This is because your engine is producing mechanical power which then is used to move your car and turn the alternator. Your alternator then produces the energy to perform electrolysis to make hydrogen which then is put into your engine. Essentially you are just converting one form of energy into another in a circle. To improve your gas millage, this cycle would have to be over 100% efficient. By the Laws of thermodynamics, that is impossible. Your internal combustion engine is horribly inefficient by itself. Not to mention that your alternator and electrolysis are no where near 100% efficient by themselves.

Remember that water is not fuel. You need to put energy into it, i.e. electrolysis, to make hydrogen.

This is not a scam I have a 96 grand am an was getting 22mpg now I get 38mpg so for all you that said it is a scam must work for the oil companys, I dont have it to the alt straight to the battery with fuse an toggle

Wow, 16mpg? That's pretty good.

I am also a student of ME. I have been telling people this will not work for fundamental reasons of basic thermodynamics. As you stated, the result of using this system as a fuel alternative would be a net loss because the electrolysis would not be converting 100% energy from the HHO going back to HOH into mechanical energy meaning that the engine would have to do more work to make up for the difference which translates into more gasoline burned and lower mpg.

HOWEVER - There is a huge lack of valuable info on the web as to whether it actually works. The quasi-technical data I have been able to dig up doesn't claim that the increased mpg comes from running the vehicle on HHO, rather the HHO is used to supliment the burning of hydrocarbons in the gasoline. Understand that an average car runs somewhere about 20% efficiency on gasoline. There is a large margin to recover in a normal system.

I remain skeptical of these systems, but due to lack of technical data and reliable testing, I am left to do some experimenting on my own. For those who would like a review, I hope to add some videos of the process with before and after numbers to youtube. My username is 97silverlude, thought at the moment I don't have any videos posted. Hopefully will have some baseline numbers and early result of a basic system by this weekend.

I am seeing alot of non belevers that don't even give this a chance. There are tons of videos on the internet of people that have done experiments with this and say that it works. How can people say its a scam when they have not even tried this. I'm trying to put somthing together but keep hitting road blocks in my design. but what little time I have had one of these on my car, I have seen a little improvement. I just need to make the device more permenet.

Justin -- your textbook analysis is spot on, and you'll probably get an 'A' -- but you are incorrect.

When you turn on the radio in your car, does the gas mileage to drop? Yes. But while a radio does increase the load on the alternator, it is unlikely (unless you've got heavy amplifiers and such) that the radio will pull a load heavy enough to cause the engine to work significantly harder to turn the alternator. In other words, theory dictates that the radio DOES increase the load on the engine, but it would be difficult to quantify or measure a drop in MPG due to the radio being on.

What is the current draw of this electrolysis device? Probably not much more than a radio...definitely less than headlights. And I don't notice much of a drop in MPG when I have my headlights on. And while the textbook theories and "laws of thermodynamics" do say that this device can not yield more energy than is put in -- no one is claiming that it does. This is a question of efficiency -- not of energy balance, and that is where your analysis (and many posted here) are in error.

If the combustion engine is able to burn more efficiently with a combination of HHO and gasoline, then there IS a net gain of miles per gallon of gasoline despite the increased electrical load.

Remember, engineering theory can sometimes come at the expense of creativity and real-world application.

On one of my models I pulled somthing like 9 amps. I could see the RPMs dip a little when I turned it on and off. i don't know what kind of amps my current model pulls, but the RPMs don't dip like they did before. My problem is that the metal corroads and turns the water a rusty color and causes the water to foam somewhat. I need to find a better metal to use. I was told to use non magnetic stainless steel. I thought thats what I had but I may be wrong. It Dosn't do this as bad as it has in the past. I've been told the best metal to use is Gold, but who can afford that.

All stainless steels are not created equal. You should be using true #304 stainless.

Corrosion is often the result of bad steel and/or overly-high amperage.

This stuff works!

Check gohydro.net and gohydro.org and get more information about water for fuel.

I converted my Mustang and have seen more horsepower and more Miles per gallon right off the bat!

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On my unit I use plates not Wire. They seem to produce more bubbles.

This is *so* stupid. You take energy from the engine to split water into H2+O (HHO), and then expect it to return more energy when you burn it in the engine.

Noone in the entire world has ever proven that there is even the slightest increase in fuel economy. Absolutely and totally nobody in a world of, what is now, 8 billion or something?

Scam artists ought to be sued.